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Star Of Ishtar's avatar

As someone who has been through (what is increasingly the norm) a porn addiction that started at a young age, AND has been sober from it for like 6-7ish years now... I agree but also disagree with this.

In having to quit I had to ultimately learn alot about how/why I got into this situation, what it was doing to me, how to get out of it, but also more importantly how to prevent it in the first place. And with all of that I gotta be honest, pornography itself isn't the issue. The issue itself overlaps strongly with the reasons for most addictions, but since sex is primal and natural and inherently intimate and evolutionarily associated with relationships, porn highlights a unique blindspot in society.

And as cliche as it may be it really is a lack of love and the removal of the physicality and sensuality from the conceptualization of what love means and is. That combined with the absence of adult responsibility and maturity to manage the ability TO ENJOY LIFE and HAVE HEALTHY RELATIONSHIPS and to TAKE CARE OF YOUR PHYSICAL BODY.

To be fair, this topic alone probably needs it's own article (if not a book) but in short alot of the "buzzwords" nowadays are the problem not porn. As long as people have sex there will be porn cause beyond the evolutionary and reproductive utility, it's inherently interesting and feels good and people are going to want to learn about it and how to do it healthily; hence pornography... Not the problem. But these, buzzwords... Depression, financial stress and poverty, loneliness epidemic, trauma, emotional intelligence, lack of connection, etc are the real problems.

Porn is really just the junk food version of love, connection, intimacy and sex... Saying that though, this porn epidemic really highlights that we don't actually have good ways of doing the non junk food version of it, because if we did, you wouldn't go to porn as a substitute. Same way a cocaine addict goes to it for fun, excitement and meaning or how alcohol is "liquid courage".

To me, it's really that as a collective, we're REALLY immature about something ancient and powerful and we really have to just grow up around the topic of sex and all those other things related to it (which seems to be alot). After all, it is "a need" because without it there is no more life and no more people and you and I wouldn't have this conversation or this platform.

It's about the redemption and genuine acceptance of Eros rather than it's exclusion and elimination. Make love, not war with with lol

Ömür Yanıkömeroğlu's avatar

We have good ways of doing sex. We also have good ways of eating food. It just takes effort to get them and humans tend to choose the easier way. Sometimes knowing that it leads to an imitation, but sometimes without knowing this, especially in earlier ages.

Emerald Breeze - KZ's avatar

Good insight, been noticing this myself as someone still trying to move away from it.

Ömür Yanıkömeroğlu's avatar

May Allah help you with your journey. It is an enriching yet challenging one.

Wiliam's avatar

the problem is pornography, no matter how healthy, a 12 year old boy can not be expected to have the will to abstein, the physical urge will in most cases overpower his moral objections.. at no point in time has peoples sexual morality been tested this hard this early, the trial is just too disproportionate to the willpower that can be expected of someone so young. On top of that his natural moral objections will be subject to gaslighting by the community, he will be told it is normal, that everyone does it even the grownups and that it is nothing to be ashamed about, making him feel like he is the weird one if he does not partake in the filth, often it will be the adults telling him this and not just the other kids, so even with his objections there's no support to be found. This is a complete betrayal.

Star Of Ishtar's avatar

Oh yeah no child should be exposed to porn. 2000% agree. That's the biggest issue with the modern situation especially on the male side.

mahna's avatar

Exactly how I feel! Very well said.

Crimson's avatar

You must be a woman. To straight men, we are filled with violence and testosterone and ignorance and we are young, and we are watching women have orgasms.

You have no idea.

Star Of Ishtar's avatar

Nah... I'm definitely a guy 😂

Crimson's avatar

It is bizarre you think modern internet "porn" is the optimal way to learn about sex. People who are shameless about their use seem unable to see the massive damage it does to people who have any shame at all.

Have a great day

Star Of Ishtar's avatar

Wait, what? I don't think that like at all. What gives you the impression that I do?

Lost Voice's avatar

Purity culture is making bots and folks who follow bots go on the aggro/offensive. You nail the healthier aspects of imagination, curiosity, and the naming of the buzzwords feeding this kind of revival of the Satanic Panic era.

Carry on! You wrote perfectly.

Crimson's avatar

It’s so depressing that this got so many likes. Porn in its modern form has done so much damage. It’s a massive problem. I don’t understand the gaslighting here.

Granimal's avatar

Tell me why sex therapists and coaches have a hard time telling clients porn is corrosive for their sex life? Moralizing as a negative charge to people with experience saying porn is bad is so common. As you explain porn is a powerful drug that creates compulsion because it highjacks our sensitive natural circuitry. Saying porn is bad is not saying self pleasure is evil. We swing to extremes in our society and do much gets thrown out each time we swing between crazy new ideas and back to the desire to control people. Vast majority don’t know their own desires let alone a hint of awareness about feeling their own internal sensations. Intimacy is hard won these days between two people that pursue self awareness

Theo's avatar

i think a lot of therapists have a very hard time coming right out and saying anything their patients do is having a totally harmful and corrosive effect on their life, that isn’t really good therapy if you’re telling your patient that instead of helping them come to that conclusion on their own

Nabeela's avatar

I recently read a research paper on the topic of pornography among Muslim youth and the one factor that surprised me which contributed to pornography use was boredom. Here’s the link to the research:

https://thefyi.org/silent-struggles-porn-report/

An important topic that needs to continue to be studied and understood.

Zahra's avatar

Fascinating. Thank you for sharing 🙏🏻

Matteo Rumble's avatar

Thank you for sharing!

jamie ashtiani's avatar

good article. reminded me of the quote: Addiction is a progressive narrowing of the things that bring you pleasure. A good life is a progressive expansion of the things that bring you pleasure

Zahra's avatar

Wow! Love that

pie's avatar

Can you please credit and support the visual artists that you are using artworks from in your posts? Its actually illegal and Not fair either. This is by jose david morales

https://josedavidmorales.com/shop/

Serge's avatar

Yes! Thank you! I was wondering who the artists were! :D I don't get why so few people on substack give sources. Even if you use links, just give me the sources at the end. That's what footnotes are for! ;D

Adam C. Giang's avatar

Easy access to adult content is creating a generation of individuals who lack mental fortitude and personal discipline. In today's digital landscape, this material is so readily accessible that it poses a particular risk to young minds still developing their core values and self-control. Be strong brothers and sisters.

Walyullah's avatar

SEEs are new concept to me. Thank you for writing this! Sounds about right that it's a public health crisis.

Considering its such a prevelant issue, and I think more so in men, how does a person try to navigate discussing this with a potential? Like its common to ask "do you smoke" but nobody's going to ask "do you watch porn?" I don't know if its even sensible to ask that, since the answer will always be no.

What might be some pragmatic ways for a person to have a discussion around this? And even if someone never has been addicted, its an ongoing effort to stay away from such things. The shaytaan is always plotting schemes.

Malak's avatar

Literally just ask, don't worry, in the end you're talking to a potential partner. The wrong one can destroy your life, I know it might seem weird to ask that to someone, but better be safe than sorry. The initial discomfort will save you a lot of pain in the future. Just try to not seem "judgy" when you ask because a lot of people will lie if they sense you are going to judge them. But yeah don't worry about asking, it is completely a normal and a valid question :)

Emergentcy With Musclemonk's avatar

Thank you for your post. Nothing is more precious than love and nothing is more healing than safe and respectful loving intimacy.

In your post you talk a lot about the evils of pornography but you don’t say very much about what healthy sexuality looks like. Can you talk a little more about “genuine, physical human connections”? I don’t see a lot of nuanced understanding in your post of things like class, patriarchy, misogyny and the crippling effects of shame, including self shaming. Is sexual liberation important and valuable or is a traditional view of the family how we must define sexual sexual health and morality? I think that many of your arguments are as applicable to the violent, abusive and oversexualized behaviors that we see in movies and television.

Your post seems to be a little too moralistic. Blame and outrage are often justified but don’t change or challenge the underlying causes. I am assuming that you are a Jungian psychoanalyst but I don’t see the kind of nuanced insight and empathy that I would expect.

Eros, love, intimacy, sexuality, safety, self esteem, vulnerability, and trust—all of these are interdependent and important, but pornography is just one of the problems we face and is perhaps a little too easy a target. Pornography is far from a root cause of the problems that most people face learning to love themselves and each other and the world that they live in.

Robin servais's avatar

This article is very well written, but has a rather moralistic, preachy tone to it. It sounds to me like the author is speaking from a conservative, religious viewpoint, like Islam or "born again" Christianity. Even if these words aren't mentioned, the finger-wagging seeps through.

For a start, not all porn is about women! Gay porn exists too, where women are totally irrelevant!

Yet nobody talks about these men being sexually objectified.

From your remarks centred around "family values", I have the impression that anything other than married, heterosexual sex is considered normal in your view.

What about men (or women) in prison, or otherwise isolated from real life sexual encounters? Are they to be denied sexual outlets? Or widows/widowers,in later life, where the likelihood of finding a new partner/partners is remote. Are they supposed to be miserable for the rest of their lives??

I do agree that over consumption of porn, like any addiction, (such as drugs, gambling or even maladaptive daydreaming), can mess with the dopamine pathways and waste a lot of time, creating roadblocks towards a successful life. But maybe if some people from conservative, religious cultures were not fed the idea that sex was forbidden, they would not be so drawn to it's substitute!

Farzana's avatar

Thanks for mentioning this. The article is just moral panic.

Saffi's avatar

So men who enjoy the extreme objectification and subjection of women in porn are innocent victims? Men who then choose to abuse women irl aren't responsible because they have allowed the industry to hijack their neural circuitry? How convenient.

The damage porn does to women has been known and documented for decades. Men who choose to indulge themselves in its misogyny had no respect for women or desire for a loving relationship in the first place. Using/abusing women is the whole point.

Raph’s kitchen [cooking]'s avatar

To be a victim of a societal issue doesn’t exempt you from being a a perpetrator of another, from what I read I never interpreted it as an excuse or justification for these men’s behaviour but moreso a reason for it. As much as we hate it, people aren’t robots, there’s a psychological reason for the patterns in behaviour we see throughout society, and this just happens to be one of those catalysts that contributes to the issue of misogyny in men; and personally I think it’s important to acknowledge that so we can tackle it effectively.

Franco's avatar

You had me at the title, incredible read 💪🏼💪🏼

CW's avatar

And it’s no wonder male violence against women is a ‘national epidemic’ as of last year. Because all this stuff is becoming so much worse they are objectifying us more and more and more. Great post 👏🏼

Black Pilled Paki's avatar

More women than men enjoy violent pornography

Sapph's avatar

And the source for this is?

Alexander Ratcliff's avatar

This is pretty inaccurate to the current realm of research into the topic. Many many things produce large spikes of dopamine, not the least of which being alcohol, TV shows you're especially fond of, orgasms during partnered sex instead of solo, and the sight of a loved one's face. Pornography is not inherently bad, certainly not because of that argument. If you are personally opposed to it by all means, but current leaders in the field studying pornography use and consumption have found no significant correlation outside of other factors, like significant levels of depression and loneliness.

Elías's avatar

Its a spiritual hazard.

Seema Ali's avatar

Hey Zahra this was AMAZING and I agree with you so heavily. I also wrote about porn but looked at how if we view porn as art can we finally free woman and I think the idea of it being a choice even further demonstrates how it is a public health crisis and for those of privilege to see it as empowering futher entrenches the need for radical change. Anyways your writing is amazing. Allahuma barik ❤️

Zahra's avatar

Thank you Seema! That means a lot and beautifully said. Choice is wonderful but it doesn’t negate coercion and even purely autonomous choices can be catastrophic.

RepoMan13th ⚛️ ♈'s avatar

What’s the best way to fix the problem? Why not make it mandatory that all porn actors have to be married? Or at least 90% of them.

Fix two problems with one bullet.

Zahra's avatar

That's an interesting take. I'm not entirely sure what a solution is to be frank. The moral me has an answer, the legal me has an answer, the psychologist in me has another answer. In a democratic society is a majority public opinion required to make a fix? should Is it the task of policy makers? Or maybe Individual social media site regulations? It's a complex one.

RepoMan13th ⚛️ ♈'s avatar

Well, porn supposedly disrupts relationships. Right? So to fix it, make it reinforce and enforce relationships. Enforcing a standard where porn models must be married would imaginably do that. Government wasn't created with the power to regulate relationship boundaries. Porn is outside the jurisdiction of policy makers. It has to be public opinions that shape it and legislators job to implement it. And the law has to actually result in the desired outcome. It has to actually improve relationships, within at least 50 years. As a media type, porn is shaped by viewership and public opinions about natural mating behavior. Porn, as a media type, does not shape instincts. It's best only as a reflection, of them. Sex instincts are an overwhelming trance. Something is sexy because it looks like it aligns with lost subjective participle used to teach it. We have all sorts of instincts we don't understand do to religions and single viewpoint disruptions. People who can't understand this, will never understand this. Governance is the disruptive entity when it comes to successful relationships because government can never regulate instincts. Instincts are innate and will always break free because we're born with them and rediscovering them is an all consuming goal. Their subjective participle should be taught by people who know about them. Married people. Sex instincts are not about equality between men and women and should not be designed by third parties to reflect that unnatural standard. That's all the meaningless trash porn no one downloads or even fully watch. "Sex positive" porn is garbage because no one likes it because It's completely unnatural. Men and women are not equal in marriage and never were. Porn cant suggest otherwise because no one would watch such unnatural trash. Neither sex wants it. It stimulates no one but eunuchs.

Blog of curiosity's avatar

Utterly marriage wouldn’t make a difference, this isn’t the question about morality, and marriage does not fix disrupted relationships. What needs to be done is young people being taught about sex and screen time needs to be limited for young individuals.

RepoMan13th ⚛️ ♈'s avatar

I disagree. Marriage, as an institution, is fundamental to western civilization. It can be supported in many ways.

Blog of curiosity's avatar

It really isn’t tho, marriage was used in the past as a form of official way to control women. It serves no purpose in society especially western one besides maybe economy, but even then it’s still a disadvantageous concept in most cases. And it most definitely does not serve any purpose in pornography, because porn watchers don’t care whether the people are married or not, pornhub had controversies surrounding it for allowing unconsensual videos being uploaded and people still did not care. So I guarantee marriage has no value

RepoMan13th ⚛️ ♈'s avatar

That’s like saying religion was invented to control women. The only thing anyone ever needed to invent to control women is rope. Rope is thusly literally the invention that separated humanity from the rest of the animal Kingdom.

To try an suppose marriage has no function besides consuming porn is to try and suppose it's not w good idea to let marriage people make the money prostitution culture makes instead.

Im in no way saying they should have to portray that they are married as part of their screenplay, just that the actors have to be married or the content is subject to summary censorship.

It makes too much sense. They need to send the bot army after it.

What are some of our social problems besides porn and marriage rates? Why shouldn't we use one problem to cure the other problem?

Blog of curiosity's avatar

Invention of religion can be argued as being created to control women but to also answer questions that previous generations of humans did not have answers to. Right now people believe in religion because it offers them comfort there is no other explanation for it. And plus this world has bigger problems than marriage and porn, porn does have bigger issues for sure but marriage rates are completely irrelevant. How would you solve inflation with marriage? Impossible. And to say that married people should profit instead of prostitutes doesn’t make much sense because even if you’re married you’re still prostituting yourself if you get money from it

RepoMan13th ⚛️ ♈'s avatar

"you’re still prostituting yourself if you get money from it"

That's like saying a lot of other fallacious things.

RepoMan13th ⚛️ ♈'s avatar

The plain facts are anything for the purpose of controlling the populace will then necessitate controlling women. It's wildly duplicitous to suppose what you're supposing. Next we'll learn law itself was invented for controlling women. The real point is we have a 50,000 year old invention called a rope and nothing else is necessary for controlling women. Where does religion sit with the facts of that? Typically, it sits in full opposition. so again you're just cherry picking how anything relates to the topic of "controlling women."

Do you disagree that humanity has made vast improvements since the invention of rope?